>> certainly, going back to the time when ukraine became an independent country. people talked about that east/west divide. even in eastern ukraine, when you talk about being pro-russian, the majority of the population, in eastern ukraine is ethnic ukrainian. the oath part of ukraine where there's an ethnic russian minority is on that peninsula of crimea. my guess is, for the large people of ukraine, they might be confused order unhappy what's taken place in keev the last couple days, but there's no sign that they want to see separatism as the answer. when i traveled to east, my sense was although it's not as deep as western ukraine, there still was the sense of ukrainian identity. >> do you think that president putin wants to actually crimea for russia? or do you think this goal is to rescue a pro-russia in kiev? >> i think part of mr. putin's goal is to destabilize that government that faces a host of problems. mr. putin calculates that is somehow to russia's advantage. i don't understand why, but he uses a difficult calculation. i think the surprising thing is,